A missionary is released with a Stake President 10 min meeting and great job, so why do we need to take hours for them reporting to the High Council. Note, I did not say playing on their phones. President Monson will apparently come late to a meeting, even with all of the general authorities, if he feels prompted to minister along the way. Maybe what I am pulling from this isnt that people need to worry about time limits (yes they still do) .but need to be prepared. Power lines were down. Dumb idea. Sure. Inspiration follows. What a novel idea! How you run a meeting has a dramatic influence on how you are loved as a leader. Im open to better ideas, so write your own list and send it to me. Pam, I agree that ward council often descends into gossip. I also think that it is critical to look at the eternal perspective of things. Just be sure that if you cancel, you are not making more work for yourself (or someone else) down the road. Here are my observations of how this bishop achieved so much: Meetings, callings, the church itself: are all pointless unless there is a vision. But never, and I mean NEVER, is a meeting worth 61 minutes. I think we need to do the best we can with what we have. Don't subscribe Its an opportunity for teaching and learning. Also when you use a written agenda have meeting minutes prepared afterwards and send them out to everyone that requires them. And then when things, meetings, members,and leaders fail to meet our expectations then we tend to grip, get disenchanted, gossip, and complain. How would you like to spend council time? I note several spelling errors Please forgive them. Required fields are marked *. Many leaders are uneducated in these new ways and new technology. I strongly recommend studying the revised edition of President M. Russell Ballards excellent book Counseling With Our Councils.Deseret Book or Amazon. If the missionaries come with very prepared progress records and report the most important things and needs, then the other, less-important things can just be written on the progress record to keep the leadership informed. I Can't Trust You; EVIL. They areasked to. And it may take several Saturdays to accomplish this year long plan. Im confident that If the First Presidency can decide whether someone excommunicated for polygamy can be rebaptized over a video conference that Ward Councils can figure it out as well. Apr 18, 2021 - Explore Holly Thompson's board "Ward council spiritual thought", followed by 471 people on Pinterest. I think there is some drastic attitude adjustment needed, but since weve worked so hard to have everything come from the top, itll need to come from there before it changes. Our best presidency meetings happened while I was away. Leader. I have been in Presidencies and the secretary. They can call or email participants and ask for businesses to be included. We also took a lot of notes, and updated agendas on the fly for our next meetings. And to strengthen the mind portion of their personal testimonies. If you need more time, go talk to the Executive Secretary and schedule another interview. Other books, talks, articles, experiences, etc. #livingproof, if you think the lord has turned his back on you - turn around, Didi @ Relief Society: Your Wonderful Journey Home - 2013 General Young Women Meeting - Card, Everyone has a story| You can't have one with out the other and there has to be an inbetween to get you from point A to point B. Third, councils are for counsel and the exchange of ideas, not just reports and lectures. Elder Oaks gave a definition back in April of 2014 when he said, Priesthood keys are the authority God has given to priesthood [holders] to direct, control, and govern the use of His priesthood on earth. In a ward council meeting, for example, the bishop is the one directing the meeting according to the keys he holds. Some are even mandating ward council to be held weekly. We arent saving souls by spending 3 hours listening to 10 return missionaries at HC meeting. It was awkward at first but our bishops counselors quickly found their legs. Cultivate a spirit of optimism. Preparation still requires time, focus and the spirit. Have you ever tried to reorganize visiting teaching? I would think about where I was supposed to be next, how this leader wasting my time, and checking my watch, and saw others zoning out as well. Im a firm believer in keeping meetings under an hour. They also discuss the annual budget requirements that will be required to run a scout troop. We had a hurricane come through our city. When I'm in my car running errands, going on trips - I love to sing along to country music. The few Ive had to attend were 2- to 3-hour nightmares, so I agree with you on the time aspect. This gives the rest of the group time to prepare so that the meeting and discussions are more to the point and effective. In the busy life of a church leader, that can be difficult. The presiding authority or the conductor should cut it off politely and reconduct the meeting. And I have been in nice, succinct meetings that were a total waste of time. Your rule would have made that impossible. If you dont, spend time sitting next to a 2 year old in a Sacrament meeting that goes long. The lack of following tech etquette IS destracting. And hold people accountable! There are lots of great books, magazine articles, websites, talks, speeches, organizations, seminars, workshops, classes out there on preparing for meetings, holding effective meetings, evaluating overall meeting effectiveness, and becoming a great leader. The councils focus is on helping people, not administering programs.. Im not sure how to resolve this as we have to continue functioning. Joe, This is very true. When I say meeting I am not referringto any meetings in the 3 hour block. Spending too much time in meetings not only keep you away from your most important duty, your family, but it also wears on the people serving to the point they hope they are not in presidencies anymore. I have retired 15 years ago and we are on our second mission. Yes! We used to have the prayer meetings before our meetings as a teacher and although they written 5 minutes long, still it was enough time for announcements and a prayer. Rifling through papers is inefficient and time consuming. We valued both diversity and unity, but releasing a member should never be done in a spirit of spite or punishment. True leaders will continue to work with that member, but when it is clear that unity cannot be achieved so that the council might act as a single revelatory body, the bishop would be wise to weigh the needs of the ward and consider replacing that individual. I agree an agenda should be created and followed. The in the higher echelons often do not deceminate information because they think ever he knows when actually only they and those close to them know. We spent a lot of time on tablets / laptops reviewing spreadsheets and docs we created. the ones that drone, on the other hand. If there is someone in the room whoeveryone thinks is the smartest, it hurts the quality of discussion and decreases revelation. Even with an invitation to the spirit there should still be guidelines that a leader follows to manage the meetings effectiveness. They dont plan very well. They almost cant function without being in a meeting. Thanks for sharing. I agree. We have lots of technology that never seems to get used in the church. I do try the softly, softly approach and try to always sustain my leaders. The Relief Society president represents the women in the ward over the age of 18. Do whateverworks for you, as long as those attending the meeting know what will be discussed and have time prior to the meeting to process the information. Again go visit a Toastmasters Meeting! You would also be interested in the way they lay out an agendaI can see it benefitting a ward council. After reading the following scriptures, please share your thoughts on the discussion board regarding the questions below. They were happy to have music . Have you seen anything work that has helped people more effectively plan for a meeting? Provide a musical event that celebrates Christ's birth, like a cantata. Find out (if possible) what keeps them from preparing, is it the timing of the meeting, is it circumstances at home and in the family. I do not know how long it will lastprobably 2 hours or more.I will try to be home at 7 pm. So in that council, as you have that spirit of unity and act under the influence of the Spirit, the contributions of all of the council members add elements to the inspiration. The monthly branch council reflects their caring. These members watched their parents put in so much time in their callings growing up that it turned into resentment. Jessica, agreed. In a pinch, Ive been able to provide music without any hymn books available using my phone, and yes, it accidentally rang once while I was playing. Plus it gave me a break from having to attend so many meeting! I know that when he is gone, it is for something to truly necessary and not for a meeting that is just for the sake of having a meeting. We also created a Google Sheet version of the. I have sat in wonderment at some of the things said about people. 26 views 0 comments. Get them out of the room (or put away) and you will have more of a revelatory experience. The bishopric is responsible for all ward members, organizations, and activities. If you prioritize properly, the excess beyond sixty minutes can be handled outside HC or left until next week. All EQ/HPGL/YM/YW/P/RS presidency meetings are held during Sunday School (SS holds them during the 3rd hour). I think we have the mistaken notion that every element of revelation coming to the ward has to come through the bishop. She is responsible to help each young woman be worthy to make and keep sacred covenants and receive the ordinances of the temple.. I agree that all too often, people sit in a meeting without activly thinking on what they or their organization could do to help or to solve a problem. (because people are just rambling) I found myself becoming more and more irritated the longer that I stayed in the meeting. All church leaders should go visit Toastmasters meetings! As we would test and determine which practices had a positive effect on our bishopric meetings, wed introduce them to the ward council. Some of the ideas are new to me and some I have been trying to bring into meetings for years without much success. I am not claiming to have it all figured out. Now we are clueless. All of my bishopric meeting was run through Google Docs. We also relied on the Spirit to know what to do. Those phone calls we were prepared, we felt the spirit and we went ahead all in about 10-15 minutes. Furthermore, improving ward council was a frequent topic in bishopric meeting. Awesome comment! I am a Laurel class president and chair 1-2 meetings a month. See more ideas about spiritual thoughts, lds quotes, church quotes. Efficient meetings still require that people prepare. However, the title of the article is How to Make a Ward Council a Revelatory Experience, and that requires more that what this article points out. Whether you are new at running a ward council, or new at running a ward council where ministering is the focus, here are some great insights that may make it easier to navigate a successful ward council with a common vision for the ward. They had caught the vision! Joseph Smith Each member of the council can improve in some way. Unfortunately, I cannot agree with most of the things you have said. I know how that feels, because we had 6 missionaries in one branch and branch coordination would last for almost 3 hours just because the way we (the missionaries) were reporting was really inefficient and it would go from there to the brainstorming no-no that dragged it out even longer while people tried to come up with solutions. Our leaders and members are not perfect and never will be on this earth! MLS is terrible at this we put on one page what MLS put on 14. Thus, once it is returned to the organization, efforts need to be made at the council level to keep the visits going. In his book Counseling with Our Councils, Elder M.Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles gives the following three suggestions: First, focus on fundamentals. Follow the guidelines in Handbook 2: Administering the Church, chapter 4, which can be found online in the Serving in the Church section of LDS.org. They make all of the decisions themselves! Calling peoples ideas dumb isnt the best way to have an effective dialogue that results in better ideas. I wish you actually provided suggestions instead of full on criticisms. Seriously, if you havent figured out how to turn a meeting into a revelatory experience, just cancel it. As they do, they will harness the extraordinary power of these councils to help the Lord bless His children and accomplish His work. And consider specific items to discuss. Left: photo illustration by JoshuaJ. Perkey. I also believe that well organized and well functioning committees could be used to help get many problems resolved in organizations of the church. "Cultivate an attitude of happiness. For example: Yearly planning meetings Plan for the entire year. I believe many church meetings are a total waste of time. I have been at Church all day. I have seen both sides of the fence and it is joy when people are prepared to have as Elder Bednar taught a revelatory experience . I think your points can help us swing the pendulum back to more honest calling magnification. The Young Women president seeks to strengthen the young women ages 12 through 18. Anything outside the 3-hour block is thought to be intrusive to the family and Church Callings are just not meant to be done outside that 3 hours on Sunday. Looks like I need to write a part 2 focused on preparing for revelatory experiences. Thanks for your comment. Life is too short to be miserable and unhappy in the church and in life! I used the title in the image Unbreakable Rules as manly a way to intrigue the audience, and it worked. Id like to reach out to you all and invite ideas of how we can help others implement these principles. Years ago, I had a boss who couldnt process any problem without a room full of people. If I had the wish of my heart, I would remove from the vocabulary of the Latter-day Saints the word meeting. Organizations had not been doing regular visits, despite repeated requests, invitations, etc., so he decided to own it at the ward council level while believing that it should have been owned by each organization. I have read the handbook regarding the meetings and would like to design agendas which help us to better meet the specific goals and outlines for each meeting. 4 min. That said, there are thousands of AMAZING people doing amazing amounts of service and providing tremendous leadership all across the world just now. That happens all over the world. Love. Joseph F. Smith's Gratitude for Blessings. Fighting against tradition and helping members open their minds may have been the most difficult step. Its a waste of peoples time to review a list of announcements, activity details, dates, etc. Her perspective will be beneficial when the ward council is considering an issue that affects the children of the ward. We have not been talking about a ward council meeting. Everyone is in the room and you can get quick feedback. Not every meeting can be like that, so by all means, feel free to wrap things up at the designated time if the Spirit does not compel you to continue. A stake council includes the three members of the stake presidency, 12 high councilors and the stake clerk. Like Elder Bednar said there are Administrators and Ministers in the church. If you havent read the guest post, You Are Not to Take Over, its worth a read. No disagreement about that ideally all would receive revelation in ward council and that a bishop should confirm revelation, but Im still unsettled. And while we do accomplish much and generally remain focused on the task at hand, input and involvment drastically drops after an hour. No Brainstorming: Brainstorming can be powerful, but it doesnt need to happen within a meeting. Prepare all the information you need from your device prior to the meeting and then see how it goes. When you have your device in the meeting you can make sure you arent on Facebook but you cant guarantee everyone is doing that same. Because 60minutes of people being unprepared is still as ineffective as 90min or 2 hours of people being unprepared. I had a good friend that was released as a bishop because he was called to his stake presidency. Participants paired (or tripled) up and the ward clerk handed out names of two to four individuals/families in the ward. Russia Yekaterinburg Mission Nobody enjoys them and they need to stop. His BA in International Studies doesnt do much in the IT industry where he works as a software product manager for Salt Lake City-based Samaritan Technologies. If you need ideas to a problem, an activity, or whom to call to a position, ask people to prepare this in advance and bring the ideas to the meeting. I am not sure if this is an appropriate venue for posting this, but here is a link to a google sheet that will enable a unit leader to make a customized Bishopric and Sacrament Meeting Template. As bishop, he could cancel any meeting on a whim. Now having said that, there are things we can do that can make our meetings more effective and efficient, some of which were mentioned, but they are hardly unbreakable. I have served in many capacities on the Ward Council and currently serve as Exec Sec but I dont seem to be able to sway any of our leaders to this way of thinking. When I'm in my car running errands, going on trips - I love to sing along to country music. They do a great job setting up meetings, conducting meetings, and using agendas! James, I agree. I think if we treat the adults like adults, instead of children, you would be surprised how much can actually be accomplished in a meeting even with people using their phones. If admin gets done before the meeting, cancel the meeting. Of all the councils and committees in the Church, I believe the ward council can have the greatest impact in helping our Fathers children.1. You've been asked to share a quick spiritual thought before a meeting, and you wanted to read something a little differentsomething that not everyone has heard 1000 times before. The rank and file workers are often clueless, and quietly steaming. If there isn't/wasn't then you haven't made it to happily ever after. Seems like gossip takes up most of the meeting. I Knew We Needed to Find the Book; CHARITY. Once the timer sounds the presiding authority should say, Well, looks like we have more to discuss but our time is up. Thank you. It is put in the hands of those who are entitled to revelation to lead. Plus, in meetings where there isnt a clear end in sight, it is easy to go over time AND I can see how it makes gossip more likely. This is a sample of what it looks like with fake names. I whole-heartedly disagree with your guideline of no tech. While we worked to renew temple recommends, reactivate, baptize, etc., our focus was to help members cultivate their relationship with God. Brainstorming can deplete chunks of time from the meeting agenda. Both the article and the numerous comments have been enlightening and informative. How to hold effective and productive meetings in church! We are all volunteers and have no paid clergy or professionally trained lay leadership. If they are in a meeting and playing on their phones, I will agree that can be disruptive. One of my personal rules is to have meetings regularly recurring and on the calendar. However you do need to keep certain items confidential. I really do not like church meetings especially high council meetings because they are so poorly run. Offer nativity/creche exhibit (s) for viewing. This is nice encouragement for those holding 3 hour meetings (you should be ashamed), but in reality there is no meeting that needs to go longer than 60 minutes. Very true, but I would consider reorganizing visiting teaching and administrative task so it shouldnt be done in a meeting. To help stress the principle taught in 2:4.6.11 (see quoted paragraph above), the agenda structure removed all references to separate organizations and instead listed the missions of the Church: Beginning each meeting with a spiritual thought typically out of the scriptures or a general conference talk followed by a very brief discussion (2-3 comments tops) invites the Spirit, sets the tone, and starts the council thinking with a spiritual mindset. Going by the spirit is assumed in every meeting. Thank you for sharing. They dont have to be the guidelines listed here (they are simply my point of view) but guidelines are important. Committe members need to be trained and encouraged and follow up is required. John, I appreciate the input. "I imagine that if we could see the heavenly barometer that reads and records the secret thoughts of each person during the sacrament, we would have a pretty good measure of the spirituality of that person.". As Melissa turned her attention back to the ward council meeting, she thought, If only everyone could be surrounded by such loving friends and leaders as they progress toward the temple., Her thoughts were interrupted as she heard the Relief Society president comment on a sister in need: She wasnt at church last Sunday. Another great resource on this concept is Elder Ballards book Counseling with our Councils.. We choose and we decide what our attitudes will be! Hold a meeting to have a meeting. When I apologized to the bishop, he told me to never apologize that my husband was were he needed to be. People need to have input to High Council meetings. Dont preach your personal preference as an absolute that others should follow. Elder Bednar was teaching the principle of being spiritually prepared to participate in councilswhat we do beforehand that will invite the spirit into our council meetings. Without tech I would not be able to look at my calendar, look up what calling someone has, etc. Judgement. Prepared people held to 60min or less is highly productive and the spirit can communicate quickly what needs to be done. You will see how to run effective meetings! And if members of councils, if members of families, as they come together, would think in terms of Im preparing to participate in a revelatory experience with my family instead of going to a meetinga revelatory experience with the members of the ward councilI think we would prepare and act much differently. Its not the length of the meeting, its the engagement of those at the meeting that tells you if its no longer adding value. You just might have to schedule a meeting specifically to address admin. Im keeping mine. All Pretty much spot on. The length of a meeting should be kept to the minimum amout of time need to fulfill the goal of the meeting. maybe, but it seems to me that were seeing this kind of thinking more and more. 2012, 3033. Thanks again for sharing this topic with us. I once spent 2.5 hours in a Bishops Council where the majority of the time was spent reviewing the calendar. They make me so frustrated when theyre run poorly! Please respect my extremely limited time as a working parent. Same meeting, same prayer and someone else struggles with it for several minutes. Others might view it as a distraction. Everyone is uplifted, it would be unifying, and then go home after 60 minutes. There is a concept calledParkinsons law, which states that a meeting (or any task) will expand to fill the time you allotted for it. I dont think there is a bishop in the church that would say they dont try to run their meetings by the spirit. (3) when people in the meeting start contributing comments that arent really relevant or are just FYI-type items rather than what were in the meeting for. Then implement their feedback. On the other hand, the Spirit should be allowed to break that rule. "I want to know how God created this world. I have concerns with #5 no tech. The bishop may ask him to lead discussions on missionary work in ward council meetings. I cant imagine sitting through a 3 hour branch coordination. So the next time you run into a less than perfect church leader, attend a less than perfect church meeting, dont get home taught on time, or members let you down on a ward service project think about What Would Jesus do in this situation and how would he react? After we experienced a great deal of success in baptisms and returning members, it was decided to move this activity back to the organization level, where it sputtered and died. The Young Men president seeks to strengthen the wards young men ages 12 through 18. #7 Cancelling meetings If you find that not much is impacted by fewer meetings, then you should definitely be cancelling more meetings. He Counseled with His Bishopric Council If he wanted an amazing and engaged ward council, hed learn how to do it first at the bishopric council level. Mainly because many of us use our phones and/or tablets for calendars and such. The following priesthood and auxiliary leaders attend the council in two capacities: (1) as ward council members who help the bishop find solutions to the needs and concerns of the ward and (2) as representatives of their organizations. We were having fun and working hard. I agree, but I challenge you to try it. But dont confuse efficiency for revelation. If you run a bad meeting, the only thing to increase is the eye-rolling. God is nothing if not a heuristic teacher, and nothing invites the Spirit like causing members to think and consider and wonder. Thanks again. For an interesting different take on things, I would suggest checking this book out (its out of print, so go to your local library or AMAZON for a used copy its cheap) and relate to Elder Bednars teachings about seeking inspiration to do what the Lord wants us to do. I have also sat through high council meetings that were 1 1/2 hours long and wondered where the time went. But we have a certain amount of work that needs to be done, and rushing through a meeting and having people get up and leave when a timer goes off is a silly suggestion, in my view. The most common problems faced in creating a cohesive and inspired ward council may include: I was blessed to work with an extremely inspired bishop who, over the course of time, successfully transformed the ward council from one that looked like the problematic picture painted above into a highly-functioning, vision-driven, and unified ward council. Ill make sure her visiting teachers let her know about the upcoming temple trip., Theyve got some hard things going on right now, added the elders quorum president. Thanks for your reply. Delegate and Follow Up! Wow! Sometimes I think we forget that we are all Brothers and Sisters with lots of faults, warts, weaknesses, and imperfections! 22 reviews. Sometimes the invitation can be decided by the ward council, but all should be encouraged to follow the Spirit with regard to what invitation or challenge to present. Fighting against tradition and helping members open their minds may have been the most difficult step. 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